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2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:17 pm
by MBK271
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Well... that just sucks.

Pick your favorite recruiting website. I chose Rivals:

0 - 5 Star Players
8 - 4 Star Players
0 - Rivals top 100 players
8 - 3 Star Players

Ummm.... I sure am glad we have such a strong recruiter coming to Texas as head coach. Even better is that he brought with him the best recruiters that assistant coaches have to offer! :D

For a team that needed a spark-plug to get out of the gate, we didn't get it done today.

Not the end of the world.... just a bit disappointing.

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:25 pm
by U2-Horn
5-7

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:33 pm
by tamut98
6-7
5-7
5-7
24-21

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:04 pm
by Drew Corleone
Yeah, I'm not hanging this one on Herman. We've been piss-poor for three seasons (and mediocre for the four seasons before that).

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:07 pm
by txlonghorn47
Not sure what was to be expected this year. Coming off the worst run in school history and with little time to build relationships. Seems all the big dogs this year went to tOSU. Not a single 5 star to a Big 12 school. If it carries over to next year with Herman and Co I'll be concerned.

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:09 pm
by 12ozLongneck
Not tugging my dick over this class. Not laying the business end of a pistol in my mouth over this class. Get it done on the field and the kids will show up in 2018.

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:45 pm
by HornMafia
Should we mention that Baylor had a higher ranked class or no?

Although they do have 21 three stars and our per player is higher.

Junior days start soon. Too bad it is about 365 days until we see the results from that.

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:06 pm
by Makaveli
HornMafia wrote:Should we mention that Baylor had a higher ranked class or no?


Texas had a lot of obstacles and shit to deal with tho

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:12 pm
by UTwiz
HornMafia wrote:Should we mention that Baylor had a higher ranked class or no?

Although they do have 21 three stars and our per player is higher.

Junior days start soon. Too bad it is about 365 days until we see the results from that.


https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:17 am
by HornMafia
UTwiz wrote:
HornMafia wrote:Should we mention that Baylor had a higher ranked class or no?

Although they do have 21 three stars and our per player is higher.

Junior days start soon. Too bad it is about 365 days until we see the results from that.


https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/


When I looked at it earlier they were ahead. But I believe that was before Pouncey.

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:05 pm
by UTwiz
I guess I just don’t get the narrative adopted by some yesterday. People are looking for the nearest cliff to jump off of and longing for the days of Charlie Strong’s recruiting, all based off of class rankings – which awards points driven by number of recruits signed + talent grade. But due to the 85 man roster makeup, we were pigeonholed into taking a small class this year (regardless who the coach is), so our class ranking was always going to have a ceiling on it due to the numbers issue. But if you examine the results, they don’t match the failure narrative.

Year – Rank – Tot Commits – Avg Star – Avg Star Rank

’17 - 31st - 18 - 3.33 - 16th

’16 - 7th - 28 - 3.54 - 11th

’15 - 12th - 29 - 3.48 - 9th

’14 - 20th - 23 - 3.17 - 25th



Takeaways:

Yesterday’s class ranked 31st nationally by totals, but 16th nationally by average star ranking. Our recruits averaged 3.33 stars. Both the average stars and national ranking of average stars are not that far out of whack from the last two years, where the classes were lauded as borderline elite classes.

Strong’s recruiting class the year he on-boarded here (2014) was worse in the level of talent AND the national rank of the talent average than what Herman signed yesterday. Strong had a month less time to work with, but he also was left with a much larger and talented group already committed when Brown left.

And this only measures class talent rankings. What I think is notable is how the staff was able to identify immediate gaps in the roster and deliver recruits to impact the roster right out of the gate. Johnson, Carter, Leitao, Rowland, and Ehlinger all project to play high leverage snaps (not just special teams and mop up duty) this year.

I mean, we didn’t get the class of our dreams yesterday, but it wasn’t the embarrassment some would have you believe.

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:38 pm
by Makaveli
That post reeks of a desperate self-rationalization attempt.

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:11 pm
by UTwiz
Fair enough. Our shitty class yesterday won't save the three shitty classes before it

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:36 am
by MBK271
UTwiz wrote:Fair enough. Our shitty class yesterday won't save the three shitty classes before it


Actually... as much as I do feel that Jeremy is ligning up to be a Herman apologist (like others who love it when I called them Strong apologists! :D ) - I think Jeremy put up some good numbers there.

Like he said, I always look at average star ranking vs. total class ranking. The number of players you are bringing in is less important to me than the average talent.

So, I guess that is why I'm disappointed. Not one 5-star guy, not one guy in the top 100...

To his point, it falls in-line with what we've experienced the past few years with Strong too.

I think I just miss the days of Mack recruiting the difference makers. I long for more Malik Jefferson type players. Cory Redding, Roy Williams, Frank Okam, Cedric Benson, Derrik Johnson, Marcus Tubbs, Sergio Kindle, Jordan Hicks, Malcom Brown, Jonathan Gray.... man.

But - we've also had some busts with other perceived difference makers; see Garrett Gilbert. AND - looking back there a ton of 4-star guys from our rosters who were badass and made the NFL.

NET - I think he's right. It's a ho-hum class. Not great, not awful. I was just hopeful for more with all of the hype around this guy and his players. Understood that our record this decade gets in the way a bit.

Re: 2017 Recruiting Class

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:26 pm
by txlonghorn47
I don't long for more Malik Jefferson type players. Guy has been very average outside the OU game his freshman year. I'd rather have guys that develop than regress. Now he may find his niche in this new system and become a star but so far he's been pretty meh.

**edit - that may be a little unfair to the guy. I think the previous staff had him out of position playing MLB. I hope with this new staff they find a way to maximize him. My point was more just that getting 5 stars is great and all, but they still have to come in and play to that level and be developed to harness that potential.